The idea of Love.

*sigh* let me be a bit clearer then.

Is love an emotion? YES

Is it a common emotion experienced by many? YES

Does it make sense to allow a NATURAL sense of love to show itself briefly in this film? YES (adds to realism)

Does it make sense to turn the idea of Love into a major plot construction point of a zombie film? NO

Are we wasting our time talking about the importance of Love and dedicating two threads completely to the concept when we don't even have characters developed yet to even fall in love? I'd say YES

Point being: Love is real, people feel it, kittens are cute and shit.... yadda yadda yadda. It just isn't that important for this movie. In fact, I'm willing to gather that there are much more effective ways to make this movie original than by putting a love story in it. It is not, has not been, and will never be necessary in any fashion to get this project off of the ground. If you want to see a real movie made, I suggest we start prioritizing the ideas we are working on into a more relevant fashion.

I agree that a small inkling of love is not going to hurt much, but making this big of a deal out of something that is not required to further the plot is a waste of time.


Peace,
Silkvein

So youve just agreed love is an important aspect.

What I want to say that people will suffer cuz they will need to kill there loved ones (and not just a girlfriend or boyfriend, but family members, friend etc.). And we can add something like this: some guy kills his loved one who became a zombie, and he doesn't want to live, so he puts a gun to his head and pulls the trigger... But nothing happens, cuz there are no bullets in the gun. He falls on the ground crying...

Zombar wrote:some guy kills his loved one who became a zombie, and he doesn't want to live, so he puts a gun to his head and pulls the trigger... But nothing happens, cuz there are no bullets in the gun. He falls on the ground crying...

no offense, but that's exactly the kind of thing that i wouldnt want to see.
it's the kind of situation that's been done thousands of times, in different contexts.
it's always, "i'm going to shoot you/myself/whomever in the face! *click* but wait! however unlikely this sounds, there are randomly no bullets in this gun! that seems strange, considering none of us have run out of bullets before until this exact moment"

i think we should try to shy away from things like that as much as possible.

Cue rant//

Silkvein wrote:
Are we wasting our time talking about the importance of Love and dedicating two threads completely to the concept when we don't even have characters developed yet to even fall in love? I'd say YES

I didnt start both threads. By the way, this isnt a waste of time. This discussion about what to include should come before character development. Get the ideas/theories in and then design characters to fit around all of those factors.

Silkvein wrote:...If you want to see a real movie made, I suggest we start prioritizing the ideas we are working on into a more relevant fashion.

What, so we go with: Oh a few people say including love is bad so we will just screw the whole thing, then? This is a thread in a subsection of a forum discussing about the idea. Whether you like it or not this is the right place and the right time to bring this discussion up before we;re at the point of scriptwriting and everyone then argues about it. Get peoples opinions. Draw results from it. Add final decision to movie.

Silkvein wrote:...I agree that a small inkling of love is not going to hurt much, but making this big of a deal out of something that is not required to further the plot is a waste of time.

*Smacks head* Please read what Im saying...
I never said it should play a major part in the film.
However, I said it should be included.
You would come across a husband and wife or two lovers in an epidemic eventually.
See how they both react.
See if a wife has a break down and husband is worried.
Or wife divorces husband and he feels like crap.
It DOESNT have to be about the main characters, it can be put upon the side characters.
If we want to make the audience encounter as many emotions as possible in the film, love will almost definately have to have a place.
In anycase love should be included cos you would encounter it even in an epidemic like this - full stop, whether we're focusing on the long term effects of the outbreak or just the immediate outbreak.
LOVE CAN ALWAYS AFFECT THE PLOT EVEN IF IT DOESNT AFFECT THE MAIN CHARACTERS.
It should affect at least a few characters - otherwise all we'll have is about an hour and a half of robotic performances of heartless characters who are, apparently, all single...

//End of rant. Love you really. xx

You missed my point and chose only to point out that which we don't agree on. For the 8th time, I am saying that love is an ok SUPPORTING CONCEPT. That is where we agree.

I am simply trying to point out that, while we don't even have a plot organized yet, why are we still arguing points to support a plot that does not yet exist?

I'm not saying to scrap the whole idea... I am saying that PRIORITIES need to be more properly placed. ie: developing an actual plot with which we can build upon all of these speculations.

Right place? YES... Right time? Not so much.

Paperlillies has already posted on a basic idea of a plot that she wants to use. This is her baby, so I feel that efforts would be better utilized in refining and developing the basic outline of her idea. Once that is done, then we can think about love, hate, war, reasons and whatnot.

Once again, this is only my opinion, and I don't run the show. There's no use getting all bent out of shape from it.

Peace,
Silkvein

Maybe with a few of the characters.... Only two!!!!

I like zombar wrote

I don't think love can be ignored completely in a film like this because it's something almost everyone can relate to and is a great way of getting across the tragedy and enormity of a situation. However, it should never, ever take over zombie gore!

Fuzileer, i'd just like to say, thank you for sticking by your ideas and not letting this mass wave of "omfg love is for cute, cuddly sissy movies and is a total waste of time" thing bring you down. People, OF COURSE, this isnt a romantic comedy! no one is trying to make it into one! There should just be SOME sort of love story in it. And no, not just some random couple making out on a bench and then having their heads bitten off.

Don't you agree that by letting the audience get attached to a couple and letting them become sympathetic and affectionate for them, the final death scene where one or both of the lovers die horrifically would be ten times more dramatic and effective?! I think its a brilliant idea... and we all need to open our minds a bit. in my personal opinion, a 2 hour gore fest, though fun, would be just as pointless as a 2 hour sappy romance movie. we need to find a balance. and we all need to give a little to get a little.

Fuzileer wrote:

KileyWiley wrote:

Silkvein wrote:if two people were to fall in love somewhere in this story, I vote that they fall subject to the Jason Vorhees laws of love in a horror movie. That being anyone who falls in love, makes out, has sex, gets naked etc.... gets killed. Plain and simple.

lol that's freakin genius XD i completely agree!!

You volunteering?!

EDIT: Yay for perverted comment for my 100th post.

its called a convention.

were not trying to chnage the genre here were trying to make a fun zombie/horror film.
i vote in favour of the love angle.

it will ad versimilitude to the plot.

Id like it if 2 people on a bench going at it had their heads ripped off. I just think that if it were the end of the world was occuring the last thing on your mind as the zombies hammered the door and your barricading your home in a last desparate defence would be turn to the girl or guy beside you and....

"Hi! Im Nicholas, I enjoy vintage funk, good books and long walks on the beach! Do me!"

If this is going to be a movie where the characters are isolated for protracted lengths of time then indeed have them get to know each other and develop all kinds of relationships before ennui paranoia and the constant zombie threat drive them to start eating each others faces in fits of dementia. And of course let appropriate love blossom. Preferably between man and zombie cause screen necrophelia is always a laugh.

But if this isnt a think piece on the nature of isolation of strange people in odd circumstances I feel that the idea of people falling in love during the chase is kinda far fetched. Even for a zombie movie.

LOL!
speed dating.
focusing on one guy throughout-shows him talking to all the women and finally it gets back to the 1st girl and she's a zombie
"oh it's you again. ARGHHHH"

: D

Alexis!!! wrote:

Zombar wrote:some guy kills his loved one who became a zombie, and he doesn't want to live, so he puts a gun to his head and pulls the trigger... But nothing happens, cuz there are no bullets in the gun. He falls on the ground crying...

no offense, but that's exactly the kind of thing that i wouldnt want to see.
it's the kind of situation that's been done thousands of times, in different contexts.
it's always, "i'm going to shoot you/myself/whomever in the face! *click* but wait! however unlikely this sounds, there are randomly no bullets in this gun! that seems strange, considering none of us have run out of bullets before until this exact moment"

i think we should try to shy away from things like that as much as possible.

HEARTLESS!

It is a cheesy way of doing things! Over simplified way of forcing emotion. Running like hell for 180 minutes, now thats entertainment!

a zombie version of Casablanca
: D