WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? Suggestion

i think 'i couldnt care less' means

there is no 'less' left for me to care.. because at the moment.. i care the least amount possible. i.e-not at all :p

so i couldnt possibly care LESS..

from that angle i think it works:)

fair point.

i should have put "couldn't".

however, i refuse to acknowledge this so-called "Caring Continuum", seeing as a continuum is "a continuous series or whole, no part of which is noticeably different from its adjacent parts, although the ends or extremes of it are very different from each other."

And since "caring" is an "emotion", and the definition of emotion is: "a person's internal state of being and involuntary, subjective, physiological response to an object or a situation, based in or tied to physical state and sensory feelings", one cannot place an emotion on a continuum. it's all a bit like that scene in Donnie Darko, where he is asked to place an X on the line in between "fear" and "love". Emotions are not straight lines (although some people would probably want to debate that).

But in fairness, I understand the use of it as a tool to illustrate a common mistake.



also, here's a pet peeve of mine: people who say things like, "no offense, but..." or, "sorry, but..." before going on to point out something another person has done that they do not like/agree with. How very condescending.

but now i notice she said 'could' not 'couldnt'
so..
ur right. ignore heh.



im really glad u guys are keeping the project alive

Sorry, Anti, but it's a pet peeve of mine when people decide to reprimand people for using a mode of speech that is already widely used just because it doesn't make logical sense, and then they don't add anything to the actual discussion. It's a fair point, but try to be a little bit more constructive and a little bit less pedantic, eh?

I might join in on a discussion, but I'm pretty swamped these days, so I'll have to see about it.

Wow. Four words. Quite a response.

Alex(is)!!! wrote:How very condescending.

The alternative could've easily been construed as rude.
And I'm quite aware of semantic shift.
Anyway...

getfrank wrote:Hey,
I could have done the sat but can't do friday am afraid.

If you cant make it we'll definately inform you on what occurs by issuing some sort of report onto the forums and what has been decided. After that is published the IZM Project Community can give in feedback upon these proposals. I am pretty sure that after this meeting there will be another one regarding the items that will come up later on.

So the items we will cover are, so far:

ITEM ONE: SCRIPT
1 = Shortening the Script
i) Brief Overview of the script and it's acts.
ii) Shortening and removing segments
2 = How to increase the importance of the Vlogs / give meaning to the plot.
i) Possibilities: Lots of vlogs or fewer, more developed vlogs
ii) How to utilise these Vlogs to assist the story
3 = Inclusion of Vlogs / extra vlogs
i) Where these Vlogs are included
ii) Their length (on average)

ITEM TWO: FILMING
1 = Locations
i) Alley Filming
ii) Corner-Shop
iii)Legal rights for streets, etc
2 = Filming Dates
i) How often a week?
ii) Weather aspects/seasonality
iii)
3 = Cast and Crew
i) The cast - commitment?
ii) The crew - commitment/right equipment/skills

The time that seems most suitable for everyone is Friday 2100 UK TIME.

Please post more concerns/items as they come to mind.

Is there a version of the script up with numbered scenes and a list of what scenes have already been filmed? That would probably be useful to have before hand so people can refer to things easily, the only version of the script I could find linked off the forums didn't have numbered scenes.

Anti-Distinctlyminty wrote:
I'd imagine that we can get permission from Transport for London (or attempt to). We just need public liability insurance, which isn't expensive.

Absolutely right. I have public liability insurance so i'm happy for my company name to be used on the forms for the tube shoot. I'm paying for it anyway every year so there's it makes no difference to me (unless extra fee's are incurred). I'm not a native of London but I'm happy to follow this up and see what I can arrange.

Aldwych tube station on the Picadilly line is closed and used for filming often. I was there filming for a launch of a scary computer game a couple of years ago when the company hired it out. It was pretty cool.

You'll recognise it from the films on Wiki here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldwych_tube_station

The meeting will be most useful.

What's this I hear about Tube Stations? I can't remember that being anywhere...

The tube station sequence is near the beginning, I think as our introduction to Ethan and Abbey. Don't we meet Kelly there too? I think it's a scene that could easily be reworked, but if we can get it, we should capitalise on it and do something good there.

Curranpete wrote:The tube station sequence is near the beginning, I think as our introduction to Ethan and Abbey. Don't we meet Kelly there too? I think it's a scene that could easily be reworked, but if we can get it, we should capitalise on it and do something good there.

Absolutely, if we could get the location it would be very nice indeed to shoot another scene down on the platform, perhaps a nice action zombie chase scene down the tunnels, would look great and be very exciting.....just thinking ahead here....

Curranpete wrote:The tube station sequence is near the beginning, I think as our introduction to Ethan and Abbey. Don't we meet Kelly there too? I think it's a scene that could easily be reworked, but if we can get it, we should capitalise on it and do something good there.

One note about the tube station scene is that it's supposed to take place outside the station, not inside it. I'm not sure if that makes a huge difference but it leaves some wiggle room for how and where it's filmed.

Also, it's a pretty important scene because it introduces Ethan and Kelly, shows their relationship to Abbey and foreshadows the spreading of the zombie plague. So, if it does get cut it should be replaced by a scene that does something similar.

So that solves the problem of filming inside the tube, its just a matter of filming outside the tube without pedestrians looking in at the shot.

As for the actual finished script I can't find it, perhaps Mitch would be so kind as to post up the link?

Another issue we need to raise is the Filming itself, including the mise-en-scene and cinematography. The BBC documentary seemed to make out that the preview was below great, so some changes will have to be made.

ITEM ONE: SCRIPT
1 = Shortening the Script
i) Brief Overview of the script and it's acts.
ii) Shortening and removing segments
2 = How to increase the importance of the Vlogs / give meaning to the plot.
i) Possibilities: Lots of vlogs or fewer, more developed vlogs
ii) How to utilise these Vlogs to assist the story
3 = Inclusion of Vlogs / extra vlogs
i) Where these Vlogs are included
ii) Their length (on average)

ITEM TWO: FILMING
1 = Locations
i) Alley Filming
ii) Corner-Shop
iii)Legal rights for streets, etc
2 = Filming Dates
i) How often a week?
ii) Weather aspects/seasonality
iii) Filming Techniques
3 = Cast and Crew
i) The cast - commitment?
ii) The crew - commitment/right equipment/skills

Please post up more issues that you think should be addressed.

Oh, and while we're at it, please sign up and download Skype and sign up to google docs (you can use your own google account if you want) so we can share documents if need be.

The script is still located here. Link

I'm all for cutting it down, but as Pete said the cuts will have to be deep to get it down to a 60-70 minute film. The current version of the script estimates out to 120-130 minutes, which means as much as half the script may need to be cut out.

I don't have a problem with that, I'm just warning people.

Fuzileer wrote:Another issue we need to raise is the Filming itself, including the mise-en-scene and cinematography. The BBC documentary seemed to make out that the preview was below great, so some changes will have to be made.

I think they were very happy with the way it looked. I didn't pick up on any such hint in the documentary along those lines or about anything else to do with the final sequence, and I was listening closely as Chris and I had filmed the piece.

It was graded, and shakey cam was added to the shots in post as I understand it. I love the grading myself, it gives it an almost 70'e exploitation feel to the images which, for me works nicely. Tim wanted handheld all the way and I still agree that this was the best call. Infact, if it was my call, I'd probably go as far as staying handheld for the entire shoot.

As you say, something to discuss.